john's and got together and started hanging out with each other. ironically, ended up sort of hanging out and smoking dope and within recall things, recall memories that have been repressed. they began to get more and more angry and that -- and began to share expenses with each other, then determined they needed to do something. their motivation was to try to protect other children. they went to the police and the police did not behave well at all in this story, it should be noted, nor did -- >> what did the police do? >> in one instance, the police went back to father murphy and asked about one of these accusations of abuse he said, you cannot listen to those kids, they are retarded. >> these children were deaf. >> that was another thing. in terms of the way the church, for a long time, regarded these children, was terribly unfortunate. archbishop cousins, who was in charge in 1974 when was finally removed from in a deposition, he was asked, did you ever asked the children what had happened? he said, of course not. we did not do that. the guy in t